Ask yourself the question, “Can one, anyone, even if that anyone be some God, ‘experience’ anything or encounter anything in any possible universe that is NOT a name-and-form?”
Then, ask yourself the question, “Can that which is NOT a name-and-form EVER be experienced?”
Lastly, ask yourself the question, “Can that which is a name-and-form experience/know/encounter ANY OTHER name-and-form or its own self?”